In today’s conversation, Frances interviews Fr. Daniel Chowing, a Carmelite Friar from Wisconsin. Fr. Chowing has been a guest before, and is an internationally recognized speaker in the areas of Spiritual Theology, Carmelite Spirituality and specifically St. John of the Cross. During this conversation Fr. Chowing will use examples from the writings of St. John of the Cross to explain how this gifted mystic is relevent for us today. Fr. Choning will demonstrate how the works of St. John are ideally suited to dealing with some of the most difficult challenges faced by our modern society. He will also describe St. John of the Cross’ model for the journey of faith and how to make progress in the spiritual life.